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Clamperl
11-27-2013, 12:23 AM (This post was last modified: 11-27-2013 12:24 AM by Webby.)
Post: #1
Clamperl
nah but seriously clamperl is a fucker


Clamperl is the pokemon I would like to nominate for bandom.

After a single shell smash, timid Clamperl, with full investment in both speed and special attack, reaches a modest 358 speed, and a staggering 494 special attack. After two it hits 537 speed and 741 special attack, at which point even standard 252 hp/def Chansey begins to sweat:

+4 LO Scald vs the above:

741 Atk vs 246 Def & 704 HP (80 Base Power): 337 - 397 (47.87% - 56.39%) aka 2HKO if burned

+4 LO Surf vs the same

741 Atk vs 246 Def & 704 HP (90 Base Power): 378 - 445 (53.69% - 63.21%) aka guaranteed 2HKO

Clamperl does not need two smashes to sweep pretty much everything else, though. Outsped by jolly Sneasel after a single smash, who could shut it down with knock off, but that is it ito non-boosted pokemon. Chansey walls until the second boost (its uninvested 211hp ensures it can take three seismic tosses), and a chance thunder wave from a sacrificial murkrow will shut it down, but not a lot else. Some promising young stars have taken to using an appropriately built water absorb Chinchou to try and stop it, with mixed results*


In all, Clamperl is a menace. You are duty-bound to put a halt to menaces. Stop this menace.






*this is a lie
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11-27-2013, 01:33 AM
Post: #2
RE: Clamperl
I was about to +1 this ban, but after some research I am on the fence about Clamperl.

Any Scarf user can outspeed and KO it, even if clamperl has full Speed investment and +2. As you said, sneasel can outspeed it, and even with no Knock off boost (65 base power STAB dark move) does 91.47% - 108.06% to a -1 Clamperl. So Sneasel is a perfect check to Clamperl.

I have used Clamperl myself and have concluded that while it is very powerful, it NEEDS a free turn to use Shell smash, otherwise it will take too much damage from the foe on the turn it uses shell smash to sweep effectively. Here are some offensive calcs:

-1 Def 0 HP / 4 Def clamperl:

vs 252 Atk +nature Doublade's shadow sneak: 51.66% - 61.61%
vs 252 Atk +nature gurdurr's mach punch: 51.18% - 60.19%
vs 252 Atk +nature dragonair's extremespeed: 58.29% - 68.72%
vs 252 atk +nature Fletchinder's 110 BP acrobatics: 109.95% - 129.86%
vs 252 Atk +nature life orb Piloswine's ice shard: 31.75% - 37.44%
vs 252 Atk +nature dusclops' shadow sneak: 19.91% - 23.22%
vs 252 atk +nature croagunk's Life Orb sucker punch: 31.28% - 36.97%

that doesn't look like much now does it? lets look at the offensive calcs against a -0 clamperl (the turn it's using shell smash)

vs max Atk Life orb fraxure's outrage: 106.16% - 125.12%
vs neutral 252 Gabite's earthquake: 52.13% - 61.14%
vs neutral 252 Gligar's earthquake: 61.61% - 72.99%
vs +nature 252 atk gurdurr's drain punch: 63.03% - 74.41%

I actually g2g right now, i'll do more calcs later.

Basically the only true "counter" to clamperl after a shell smash is Chansey who can sponge any of its attacks and use T wave, but even chansey falls to 2 +4 surfs, I think.

"Y'know...Someday we adults are gonna have to hand this world off to this little scamp and the rest of his generation. But what kinda world are we adults gonna make? What kinda world do we wanna pass to these kids? If we haven't even figured that out ourselves, we're never gonna get anywhere. So are we gonna make a world where everyone can coexist together? Or, after all, is it gonna be a world that we claim by force? One that we fight and scrabble over..." -Team Aqua Archie

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11-27-2013, 10:20 AM
Post: #3
RE: Clamperl
More time will certainly tell much more effectively than any theorying how potent a bannable pokemon clamperl is.

I don't imagine many teams won't be running chansey, and having to run thunder wave is hardly a compromise in a tier so hotly ruled by speed echelons as NFE.

Having to sacrifice chansey to have slowed it down and done a little damage, though, does not sit well. Twave chansey does not shut it down without either having to let itself faint or letting something else faint in a switch. Water absorb chinchou could be come a legitimate switch-in in this instance.

That is, if you successfully execute a counter manoeuvre, and succeed in keeping chansey alive and at full hp until they bring clamperl out. Fail to do these and you are likely a goner.
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11-27-2013, 08:48 PM
Post: #4
RE: Clamperl
lets cut to the chase: A reference page for damage calculations!

252 spatk neutral +4 clamperl's surf:

Spoiler: show
[Image: 0.png]


[Image: 113.png]

vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Chansey:

[Image: 57.jpg]


[Image: 49.jpg]

43.61% - 51.56%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 3HKO [Leftovers]


[Image: 159.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Croconaw:

[Image: 15.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

85.98% - 101.48%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO




[Image: 0.png]

vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Doublade:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

175.16% - 206.21%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 0.png]

vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Doublade:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

175.16% - 206.21%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 0.png]

vs 252 HP / 252 Sp Def +Nature Doublade:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

108.39% - 127.95%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 148.png]

vs 56 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Dragonair:

[Image: 23.jpg]


[Image: 10.jpg]

77.26% - 90.97%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO




[Image: 578.png]

vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Duosion:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

144.91% - 170.96%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 125.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Electabuzz:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

135.42% - 159.78%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO




[Image: 125.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def -Nature Electabuzz:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

150.55% - 177.49%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO




[Image: 597.png]

vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Ferroseed:

[Image: 38.jpg]


[Image: 27.jpg]

62.33% - 73.29%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 597.png]

vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Ferroseed:

[Image: 38.jpg]


[Image: 27.jpg]

62.33% - 73.29%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 611.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Fraxure:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

101.47% - 119.78%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 592.png]

vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Frillish:

[Image: 42.jpg]


[Image: 32.jpg]

58.28% - 68.79%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 0.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Frogadier:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

102.41% - 120.48%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO




[Image: 444.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Gabite:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

186.64% - 220.22%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO


[Image: 42.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Golbat:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

139.52% - 164.26%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO




[Image: 42.png]

vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def +Nature Golbat:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

104.52% - 123.16%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 42.png]

vs 252 HP / 252 Sp Def +Nature Golbat:

[Image: 22.jpg]


[Image: 8.jpg]

78.25% - 92.37%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 388.png]

vs 252 HP / 248 Sp Def Neutral Grotle:

[Image: 54.jpg]


[Image: 45.jpg]

46.61% - 55.08%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 3HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 388.png]

vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Grotle:

[Image: 36.jpg]


[Image: 25.jpg]

64.41% - 75.71%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 533.png]

vs 36 HP / 220 Sp Def Neutral Gurdurr:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

123.75% - 145.63%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 93.png]

vs 0 HP / 4 Sp Def Neutral Haunter:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

222.51% - 262.34%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO [Leftovers]

[Image: 496.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Servine:

[Image: 23.jpg]


[Image: 9.jpg]

77.78% - 91.57%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO




[Image: 64.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Kadabra:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

194.12% - 228.51%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO




[Image: 64.png]

vs 40 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Kadabra:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

185.71% - 218.61%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO

[Image: 67.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Machoke:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

160.8% - 189.7%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO




[Image: 67.png]

vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Machoke:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

132.97% - 156.87%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 67.png]

vs 252 HP / 252 Sp Def +Nature Machoke:

[Image: 14.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

86.54% - 102.2%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO [Leftovers]



[Image: 82.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Magneton:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

178.01% - 209.54%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO




[Image: 82.png]

vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Magneton:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

141.12% - 166.12%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 259.png]

vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Marshtomp:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

124.71% - 146.8%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 259.png]

vs 252 HP / 96 Sp Def +Nature Marshtomp:

[Image: 1.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

99.71% - 117.73%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 375.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Metang:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

147.51% - 173.95%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO




[Image: 375.png]

vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def +Nature Metang:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

108.64% - 128.09%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO




[Image: 375.png]

vs 252 HP / 252 Sp Def +Nature Metang:

[Image: 18.jpg]


[Image: 3.jpg]

82.41% - 97.22%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO




[Image: 200.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Misdreavus:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

140.61% - 165.9%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO




[Image: 200.png]

vs 252 HP / 248 Sp Def +Nature Misdreavus:

[Image: 21.jpg]


[Image: 7.jpg]

79.63% - 93.83%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO [Leftovers]

[Image: 198.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Murkrow:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

240.61% - 283.91%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO




[Image: 198.png]

vs 232 HP / 120 Sp Def +Nature Murkrow:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

143.89% - 169.28%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO




[Image: 221.png]

vs 132 HP / 124 Sp Def Neutral Piloswine:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

216.58% - 255.08%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO




[Image: 233.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Porygon2:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

107.4% - 126.69%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO




[Image: 233.png]

vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Porygon2:

[Image: 11.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

89.3% - 105.35%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO




[Image: 0.png]

vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Quilladin:

[Image: 24.jpg]


[Image: 11.jpg]

76.38% - 89.88%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 0.png]

vs 252 HP / 252 Sp Def +Nature Quilladin:

[Image: 51.jpg]


[Image: 43.jpg]

49.08% - 57.98%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO [Leftovers]


[Image: 117.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Seadra:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

119.52% - 140.64%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO




[Image: 372.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Shelgon:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

102.21% - 120.66%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO




[Image: 372.png]

vs 90 HP / 96 Sp Def +Nature Shelgon:

[Image: 27.jpg]


[Image: 14.jpg]

73.04% - 86.01%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 0.png]

vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Sliggoo:

[Image: 58.jpg]


[Image: 50.jpg]

42.35% - 50%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 3HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 0.png]

vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Sliggoo:

[Image: 58.jpg]


[Image: 50.jpg]

42.35% - 50%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 3HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 0.png]

vs 252 HP / 252 Sp Def +Nature Sliggoo:

[Image: 70.jpg]


[Image: 64.jpg]

30.88% - 36.76%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 4HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 215.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Sneasel:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

161.75% - 190.44%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO




[Image: 114.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Tangela:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

119.93% - 141.33%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO




[Image: 114.png]

vs 252 HP / 252 Sp Def +Nature Tangela:

[Image: 43.jpg]


[Image: 33.jpg]

57.49% - 67.96%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO




[Image: 176.png]

vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Togetic:

[Image: 3.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

97.77% - 115.61%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 176.png]

vs 252 HP / 240 Sp Def +Nature Togetic:

[Image: 29.jpg]


[Image: 16.jpg]

71.66% - 84.39%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 8.png]

vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Wartortle:

[Image: 41.jpg]


[Image: 30.jpg]

59.63% - 70.5%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 8.png]

vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Wartortle:

[Image: 41.jpg]


[Image: 30.jpg]

59.63% - 70.5%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 634.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Zweilous:

[Image: 25.jpg]


[Image: 12.jpg]

75.09% - 88.42%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO [Leftovers]

252 SpAtk +4 neutral clamperl's ice beam:

Spoiler: show


[Image: 113.png]

vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Chansey:

[Image: 71.jpg]


[Image: 66.jpg]

29.12% - 34.38%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 4HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 256.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Combusken:

[Image: 39.jpg]


[Image: 28.jpg]

61.69% - 72.8%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO




[Image: 159.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Croconaw:

[Image: 43.jpg]


[Image: 33.jpg]

57.2% - 67.53%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO




[Image: 0.png]

vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Doublade:

[Image: 42.jpg]


[Image: 32.jpg]

58.39% - 68.63%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 0.png]

vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Doublade:

[Image: 42.jpg]


[Image: 32.jpg]

58.39% - 68.63%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 0.png]

vs 252 HP / 252 Sp Def +Nature Doublade:

[Image: 64.jpg]


[Image: 58.jpg]

36.02% - 42.55%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 3HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 148.png]

vs 56 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Dragonair:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

206.5% - 243.32%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO




[Image: 578.png]

vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Duosion:

[Image: 4.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

96.71% - 114.07%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 125.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Electabuzz:

[Image: 10.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

90.41% - 106.64%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO




[Image: 125.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def -Nature Electabuzz:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

100.37% - 118.45%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO




[Image: 597.png]

vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Ferroseed:

[Image: 17.jpg]


[Image: 3.jpg]

83.22% - 97.95%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 597.png]

vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Ferroseed:

[Image: 17.jpg]


[Image: 3.jpg]

83.22% - 97.95%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 611.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Fraxure:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

271.06% - 319.41%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 592.png]

vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Frillish:

[Image: 62.jpg]


[Image: 55.jpg]

38.85% - 45.86%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 3HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 0.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Frogadier:

[Image: 32.jpg]


[Image: 20.jpg]

68.27% - 80.32%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO




[Image: 388.png]

vs 252 HP / 248 Sp Def Neutral Grotle:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

124.86% - 147.46%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 388.png]

vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Grotle:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

171.75% - 202.26%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 533.png]

vs 36 HP / 220 Sp Def Neutral Gurdurr:

[Image: 18.jpg]


[Image: 3.jpg]

82.5% - 97.19%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 93.png]

vs 0 HP / 4 Sp Def Neutral Haunter:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

148.48% - 174.89%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO [Leftovers]



[Image: 64.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Kadabra:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

129.41% - 152.49%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO




[Image: 64.png]

vs 40 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Kadabra:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

123.81% - 145.89%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO



[Image: 305.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Lairon:

[Image: 30.jpg]


[Image: 17.jpg]

70.88% - 83.52%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO




[Image: 305.png]

vs 252 HP / 252 Sp Def Neutral Lairon:

[Image: 61.jpg]


[Image: 55.jpg]

39.2% - 45.99%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 3HKO




[Image: 608.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Lampent:

[Image: 39.jpg]


[Image: 28.jpg]

61.69% - 72.8%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO




[Image: 67.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Machoke:

[Image: 0.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

107.31% - 126.58%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO




[Image: 67.png]

vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Machoke:

[Image: 12.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

88.74% - 104.67%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 67.png]

vs 252 HP / 252 Sp Def +Nature Machoke:

[Image: 43.jpg]


[Image: 32.jpg]

57.69% - 68.13%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 126.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Magmar:

[Image: 55.jpg]


[Image: 47.jpg]

45.02% - 53.14%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO




[Image: 126.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def -Nature Magmar:

[Image: 50.jpg]


[Image: 41.jpg]

50.18% - 59.04%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO




[Image: 82.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Magneton:

[Image: 41.jpg]


[Image: 31.jpg]

59.34% - 69.71%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO




[Image: 82.png]

vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Magneton:

[Image: 53.jpg]


[Image: 45.jpg]

47.04% - 55.26%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 3HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 259.png]

vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Marshtomp:

[Image: 17.jpg]


[Image: 3.jpg]

83.14% - 97.97%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 259.png]

vs 252 HP / 96 Sp Def +Nature Marshtomp:

[Image: 34.jpg]


[Image: 22.jpg]

66.57% - 78.49%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 375.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Metang:

[Image: 51.jpg]


[Image: 43.jpg]

49.04% - 57.85%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO




[Image: 375.png]

vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def +Nature Metang:

[Image: 64.jpg]


[Image: 58.jpg]

36.11% - 42.59%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 3HKO




[Image: 375.png]

vs 252 HP / 252 Sp Def +Nature Metang:

[Image: 73.jpg]


[Image: 68.jpg]

27.47% - 32.41%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 4HKO




[Image: 200.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Misdreavus:

[Image: 7.jpg]


[Image: 0.jpg]

93.87% - 110.73%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO




[Image: 200.png]

vs 252 HP / 248 Sp Def +Nature Misdreavus:

[Image: 47.jpg]


[Image: 38.jpg]

53.09% - 62.65%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO [Leftovers]




[Image: 391.png]

vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Monferno:

[Image: 34.jpg]


[Image: 22.jpg]

66.91% - 78.81%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO


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vs 132 HP / 124 Sp Def Neutral Piloswine:

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144.65% - 170.32%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO




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vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Porygon2:

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71.7% - 84.57%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO




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vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Porygon2:

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59.63% - 70.32%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO



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vs 252 HP / 252 Sp Def +Nature Rhydon:

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117.39% - 138.65%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO [Leftovers]




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vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Seadra:

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79.68% - 93.63%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO






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vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Sliggoo:

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112.94% - 133.53%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO [Leftovers]




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vs 252 HP / 252 Sp Def +Nature Sliggoo:

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82.94% - 98.24%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO [Leftovers]




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vs 0 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Sneasel:

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53.78% - 63.35%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 2HKO


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vs 252 HP / 252 Sp Def +Nature Tangela:

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153.89% - 181.44%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO




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vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Togetic:

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130.57% - 154.14%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO [Leftovers]




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vs 252 HP / 240 Sp Def +Nature Togetic:

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95.54% - 112.74%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 1HKO [Leftovers]




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vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Wartortle:

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39.75% - 46.89%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 3HKO [Leftovers]




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vs 252 HP / 0 Sp Def Neutral Wartortle:

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39.75% - 46.89%
After Stealth Rock, 100% chance to 3HKO [Leftovers]



Defensive:

0 HP / 0 Def clamperl:

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vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Archen's Stone Edge: 84.36% - 99.53%
100% chance to 1HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Archen's U-Turn: 34.12% - 40.28%
100% chance to 3HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Archen's Crunch: 45.02% - 53.08%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Archen's Earthquake: 56.4% - 66.35%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Croconaw's Waterfall: Item: life-orb


30.33% - 36.02%
100% chance to 3HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Croconaw's Crunch: Item: life-orb


40.76% - 48.34%
100% chance to 3HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Croconaw's Ice Punch: Item: life-orb


20.38% - 24.17%
100% chance to 5HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Croconaw's Waterfall: Item: life-orb


30.33% - 36.02%
100% chance to 3HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Croconaw's Crunch: Item: life-orb


40.76% - 48.34%
100% chance to 3HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Croconaw's Ice Punch: Item: life-orb


20.38% - 24.17%
100% chance to 5HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Croconaw's +2 Waterfall: Item: life-orb


61.14% - 72.51%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Croconaw's +2 Crunch: Item: life-orb


81.99% - 96.68%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Croconaw's +2 Ice Punch: Item: life-orb


40.76% - 48.34%
100% chance to 3HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Doublade's Shadow Sneak: 33.18% - 39.81%
100% chance to 3HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Doublade's Brick Break: 41.71% - 49.29%
100% chance to 3HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Doublade's iron-head: 33.18% - 39.34%
100% chance to 3HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Doublade's rock-slide: 41.71% - 49.29%
100% chance to 3HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Doublade's +2 Shadow Sneak: 66.82% - 78.67%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Doublade's +2 Brick Break: 82.94% - 98.1%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Doublade's +2 iron-head: 66.35% - 78.2%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Doublade's +2 rock-slide: 82.94% - 98.1%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Dragonair's Outrage: Item: life-orb


45.5% - 53.55%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Dragonair's Aqua Tail: Item: life-orb


22.75% - 26.54%
100% chance to 4HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Dragonair's Outrage: Item: life-orb


67.77% - 80.09%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Dragonair's Aqua Tail: Item: life-orb


33.65% - 39.81%
100% chance to 3HKO


vs 66 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Electabuzz's Cross Chop: Item: life-orb


49.29% - 58.29%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Fletchinder's Acrobatics [110 BP]: Item: life-orb


91.47% - 108.06%
100% chance to 1HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Fletchinder's Return: Item: life-orb


56.4% - 66.82%
100% chance to 1HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Fraxure's Outrage: Item: life-orb


135.07% - 159.24%
100% chance to 1HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Fraxure's Night Slash: Item: life-orb


52.61% - 62.09%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Fraxure's Aqua Tail: Item: life-orb


33.65% - 39.81%
100% chance to 3HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Fraxure's Outrage: Item: life-orb


201.9% - 237.91%
100% chance to 1HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Fraxure's Night Slash: Item: life-orb


78.67% - 92.89%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Fraxure's Aqua Tail: Item: life-orb


50.71% - 59.72%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Fraxure's Outrage: Item: life-orb


135.07% - 159.24%
100% chance to 1HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Fraxure's Night Slash: Item: life-orb


52.61% - 62.09%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Fraxure's Aqua Tail: Item: life-orb


33.65% - 39.81%
100% chance to 3HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Fraxure's Outrage: Item: life-orb


201.9% - 237.91%
100% chance to 1HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Fraxure's Night Slash: Item: life-orb


78.67% - 92.89%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Fraxure's Aqua Tail: Item: life-orb


50.71% - 59.72%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Gabite's Outrage: 87.2% - 102.84%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Gabite's Earthquake: 72.51% - 85.78%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Gabite's Stone Edge: 48.34% - 57.35%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Gligar's Earthquake: Item: life-orb


84.36% - 99.53%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Gligar's Aerial Ace: Item: life-orb


51.18% - 60.19%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Gligar's Stone Edge: Item: life-orb


56.4% - 66.35%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Gligar's Aqua Tail: Item: life-orb


25.12% - 29.86%
100% chance to 4HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Gligar's +2 Aerial Ace: Item: life-orb


168.25% - 198.1%
100% chance to 1HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Gligar's +2 Earthquake: Item: life-orb


168.25% - 198.1%
100% chance to 1HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Gligar's +2 Aqua Tail: Item: life-orb


50.71% - 59.72%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Gligar's Earthquake: Item: life-orb


84.36% - 99.53%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Gligar's Aerial Ace: 64.45% - 76.78%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Gligar's Earthquake: 64.45% - 76.78%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Gligar's Aqua Tail: 19.43% - 23.22%
100% chance to 5HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Gligar's +2 Aerial Ace: 129.38% - 152.61%
100% chance to 1HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Gligar's +2 Earthquake: 129.38% - 152.61%
100% chance to 1HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Gligar's +2 Aqua Tail: 38.86% - 45.97%
100% chance to 3HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Gurdurr's Mach Punch: 31.75% - 38.39%
100% chance to 3HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Gurdurr's Payback [100 BP]: 53.55% - 63.51%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Gurdurr's Drain Punch: 60.19% - 71.56%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Gurdurr's Mach Punch: 48.34% - 57.35%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Gurdurr's Payback [100 BP]: 80.57% - 94.79%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Gurdurr's Drain Punch: 90.05% - 106.64%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 0 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Hippopotas's Earthquake: 47.39% - 55.92%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Machoke's Dynamicpunch: 78.2% - 92.42%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Machoke's Ice Punch: 26.07% - 30.81%
100% chance to 4HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Pancham's Brick Break: 51.66% - 61.14%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Pancham's Crunch: 36.97% - 43.6%
100% chance to 3HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Pancham's Stone Edge: 45.5% - 54.03%
100% chance to 3HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Rhydon's Earthquake: 92.89% - 109.95%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Rhydon's Stone Edge: 92.89% - 109.95%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Rhydon's Crunch: 50.24% - 59.24%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Rhydon's Fire Punch: 23.22% - 27.49%
100% chance to 5HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Scyther's Aerial Ace: Item: life-orb


65.4% - 77.25%
100% chance to 1HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Scyther's Bug Bite: Item: life-orb


65.4% - 77.25%
100% chance to 1HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Scyther's Brick Break: Item: life-orb


54.03% - 63.98%
100% chance to 1HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Scyther's Knock Off [Boosted]: Item: life-orb


46.92% - 55.45%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Tyrunt's Ice Fang: 18.01% - 21.33%
100% chance to 5HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Tyrunt's Thunder Fang: 72.99% - 86.26%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Tyrunt's Stone Edge: 72.51% - 85.31%
100% chance to 2HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Tyrunt's Crunch: 38.39% - 45.5%
100% chance to 3HKO


vs 252 Atk/SpAtk Neutral Tyrunt's Earthquake: 48.34% - 56.87%
100% chance to 2HKO

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11-27-2013, 09:16 PM
Post: #5
RE: Clamperl
(11-27-2013 10:20 AM)Webby Wrote:  I don't imagine many teams won't be running chansey, and having to run thunder wave is hardly a compromise in a tier so hotly ruled by speed echelons as NFE.

Having to sacrifice chansey to have slowed it down and done a little damage, though, does not sit well. Twave chansey does not shut it down without either having to let itself faint or letting something else faint in a switch.

To validate:

Turn 1: You see clamperl, oh Variant
turn 2: Send in chansey as clamperl uses shell smash. chansey takes SR damage so it's at 94.25% health (leftovers).
Turn 3: use T wave while clamperl deals 43.61% - 51.56% with surf. after leftovers, chansey is now at 48.94% - 56.89%
turn 4: Chansey has a VERY low (< 18%) chance of actually surviving. you have 2 options:

-stay in with chansey and use wish, hoping for paralysis or that <18% chance so that you can actually recover. if you do, you can recover and use seismic toss as clamperl keeps getting paralyzed.
-Switch to only a handful of pokemon (grotle, servine if it hasnt taken much damage, Shelgon, quilladin, sliggoo, max spdef tangela, zweilous) and shut clamperl down with any attack since it's paralyzed.

(11-27-2013 10:20 AM)Webby Wrote:  Water absorb chinchou could be come a legitimate switch-in in this instance.

And then what, CB sucker punch for 38.39% - 45.5%, not even a 2HKO?

That
(11-27-2013 10:20 AM)Webby Wrote:  is, if you successfully execute a counter manoeuvre, and succeed in keeping chansey alive and at full hp until they bring clamperl out. Fail to do these and you are likely a goner.

Priority. You can use adamant 252 Dnair's extremespeed, if clamperl takes SR damage it has a 92.3% chance of dying. Fletchinder's acrobatics one-shot clamperl. every other priority move is a 2HKO though. Doublade's CB shadow sneak does 78.2% - 92.42%, so if you even do a little damage to clamperl as it's shell smashing, it can KO. LO 252 Atk Neutral scyther's Quick Attack does 92.42% - 109.48%, which always KOs after SR.

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11-28-2013, 04:16 PM
Post: #6
RE: Clamperl
I was thinking electric move as it survives an ice beam, but I don't actually know what fourth move it carries. HP electric?

Trusting you can predict the switch, all of those potential switches are ice beam weak. Ice beam would be a safe move to use at turn 4, followed by another shell smash turn 5 as they protect etc etc. a clamperl team will also have a cleric, so counter attempt #1 may be the only chance you get. Attempt 2 will likely not be as effective.

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11-30-2013, 09:37 PM
Post: #7
RE: Clamperl
I use HP grass for the last move (surf, HP grass and ice beam), but HP electric also works. I see what youre saying with ice beam though, thats a good point.

usage stats will be available some time next week, it should help us with finding what people are using to take clamperl down. maybe it has something that we're not considering.

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